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		<title>By: David Savarese</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Savarese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised by the suggested que sera sera of our american distractions. I don&#039;t think Bolano (based on his infrarealist manifesto), or most of the world, would support our living our lives as we do in the face of this violence. While I do think there is a debate concerning rampant consumption being the cause of these murders, I don&#039;t think there is any excuse for our not working together to put an end to the continued atrocities in our world. I&#039;m not saying send troops to mexico, but I do think the human agenda needs to be one that finds solutions so that everyone can live their lives in peace and safety. If trivial things prevent that, woe unto us. The critical question for me, right now, is if it can be done in the face of the modern world (irony, disillusionment, politics, corruption)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised by the suggested que sera sera of our american distractions. I don&#8217;t think Bolano (based on his infrarealist manifesto), or most of the world, would support our living our lives as we do in the face of this violence. While I do think there is a debate concerning rampant consumption being the cause of these murders, I don&#8217;t think there is any excuse for our not working together to put an end to the continued atrocities in our world. I&#8217;m not saying send troops to mexico, but I do think the human agenda needs to be one that finds solutions so that everyone can live their lives in peace and safety. If trivial things prevent that, woe unto us. The critical question for me, right now, is if it can be done in the face of the modern world (irony, disillusionment, politics, corruption)?</p>
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		<title>By: Terrell Williamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrell Williamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope I&#039;m not jumping in too late.  I think Bolano&#039;s success up to this point can be gauged by Maria&#039;s post and the comments.  For me, an important theme with which Bolano seems to be struggling is the existence of violence in all its mundane transfigurations.  Bolano spent the first two sections showing us how the persons in our society who are supposed to be the most sensitive and concerned about the great issues of humanity, the intelligentsia, if you will, avoid the issue of violence.  The Part about Fate gives us some more of that, but then shows one man&#039;s imperfect attempt at confronting violence by taking action.  Now that we are in The Part about the Crimes, it seems that Bolano intends to illustrate for us violence in all its guises, not in a titillating, fantastic manner, but rather in a clinical language striped of color and texture.  The few details that Bolano gives us seem intent on casting the victim as a human being, without sentimentality.  Bolano seems to be trying to avoid turning the victim into an object of our fascination or horror.

Despite all of the characters&#039; previous attempts to avoid the issue of the persistence of violence in human society, in this part Bolano seems intent on illuminating all the various manner of violence humans continue to perpetuate against each other.  At the end of The Part about Fate, Bolano seems to be struggling with what a human being at the end of the 20th century should do in the face of violence.  Oscar Fate provides the reader with a very imperfect answer.

Almost out the blue, it occurred to me that I owned another book (which I have not read completely) that struggles with the problem of violence:  Rising Up and Rising Down, by William T. Vollmann.  I only own the one volume condensed version of the book.  If you aren&#039;t familiar with Rising Up and Rising Down, Vollmann writes for seven volumes documenting violence throughout the history of humankind and attempts to develop a moral calculus about violence.  I&#039;d be interested if anyone who is familiar with Rising Up and Rising Down as any thoughts about Vollmann&#039;s approach to the problem of violence compared to Bolano&#039;s treatment thus far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope I&#8217;m not jumping in too late.  I think Bolano&#8217;s success up to this point can be gauged by Maria&#8217;s post and the comments.  For me, an important theme with which Bolano seems to be struggling is the existence of violence in all its mundane transfigurations.  Bolano spent the first two sections showing us how the persons in our society who are supposed to be the most sensitive and concerned about the great issues of humanity, the intelligentsia, if you will, avoid the issue of violence.  The Part about Fate gives us some more of that, but then shows one man&#8217;s imperfect attempt at confronting violence by taking action.  Now that we are in The Part about the Crimes, it seems that Bolano intends to illustrate for us violence in all its guises, not in a titillating, fantastic manner, but rather in a clinical language striped of color and texture.  The few details that Bolano gives us seem intent on casting the victim as a human being, without sentimentality.  Bolano seems to be trying to avoid turning the victim into an object of our fascination or horror.</p>
<p>Despite all of the characters&#8217; previous attempts to avoid the issue of the persistence of violence in human society, in this part Bolano seems intent on illuminating all the various manner of violence humans continue to perpetuate against each other.  At the end of The Part about Fate, Bolano seems to be struggling with what a human being at the end of the 20th century should do in the face of violence.  Oscar Fate provides the reader with a very imperfect answer.</p>
<p>Almost out the blue, it occurred to me that I owned another book (which I have not read completely) that struggles with the problem of violence:  Rising Up and Rising Down, by William T. Vollmann.  I only own the one volume condensed version of the book.  If you aren&#8217;t familiar with Rising Up and Rising Down, Vollmann writes for seven volumes documenting violence throughout the history of humankind and attempts to develop a moral calculus about violence.  I&#8217;d be interested if anyone who is familiar with Rising Up and Rising Down as any thoughts about Vollmann&#8217;s approach to the problem of violence compared to Bolano&#8217;s treatment thus far.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis Bencomo</title>
		<link>http://www.bolanobolano.com/2010/03/10/big-black-car/comment-page-1/#comment-1037</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexis Bencomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 09:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just on observation, the word Peregrino means Pilgrim in Spanish. From Wikipedia in Spanish: Un peregrino es un viajero que visita algún lugar sagrado, casi siempre por motivos religiosos.

Translation: A pilgrim is a traveler who visits a religious place, almost always for religious motives.

No doubt that this was on purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just on observation, the word Peregrino means Pilgrim in Spanish. From Wikipedia in Spanish: Un peregrino es un viajero que visita algún lugar sagrado, casi siempre por motivos religiosos.</p>
<p>Translation: A pilgrim is a traveler who visits a religious place, almost always for religious motives.</p>
<p>No doubt that this was on purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Of Bladders and Blasphemy &#171; Infinite Zombies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Of Bladders and Blasphemy &#171; Infinite Zombies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Mar 2010 03:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the initial jolt, it&#8217;s not as crudely executed as that. I want to highlight Paul&#8217;s and Maria&#8217;s takes on the start of this part, because my own reaction shares in both. Maria captures the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the initial jolt, it&#8217;s not as crudely executed as that. I want to highlight Paul&#8217;s and Maria&#8217;s takes on the start of this part, because my own reaction shares in both. Maria captures the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Bustillos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Bustillos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Trent, what a nice thing to say.  And I absolutely LOVE your post.  The victory is in knowing that there&#039;s no right answer but still trying to find it; to bring as much positive into the world as you can even when you know it is trivial, but also not to go too crazy with the trivial.  To try to make a difference even when you don&#039;t think you will.  In short, to walk the tightrope??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Trent, what a nice thing to say.  And I absolutely LOVE your post.  The victory is in knowing that there&#8217;s no right answer but still trying to find it; to bring as much positive into the world as you can even when you know it is trivial, but also not to go too crazy with the trivial.  To try to make a difference even when you don&#8217;t think you will.  In short, to walk the tightrope??</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Crable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trent Crable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t lived in LA since 2000 and I&#039;m not familiar with the Lily Burk murder, but the section did cause me to think of a young girl (age seven, I think) who was kidnapped from her bedroom, raped, and killed in San Diego when I was living there (2001 or 2002, I think was when it happened). I swear the entire city of San Diego was obsessed with that girl&#039;s abduction (from a nice, usually very safe, upper-middle class neighborhood). The police went all out, like seriously all out. They caught the guy. The trial was all over the news--it was completely unavoidable. There was a serious push by people who wanted to have the killer&#039;s lawyer disbarred for, as far as I could tell, doing nothing other than his job.

Anyway. I mention it because I had the same thought that you had in relation to Lily Burk: the killings of girls and women of Santa Teresa can never get the same sort of attention.

As for being consumed with seemingly trivial things--the hot items, the current hip meme, the best Pilates, or whatever--I kind of feel the same way. But I also think it&#039;s inevitable and not all bad. It&#039;s a defense mechanism of sorts, in a way. There&#039;s a somewhat fine line that needs to be walked here. Care too much and you risk obsession, living in fear, risk of restrictions on freedom, despondency, etc, etc. Care too little, or be too overwhelmed to care enough, and you risk lawlessness or at least a denial of justice in cases where perhaps some sort of justice could be had. And so on. To relate this to my comments from last week (to Matt&#039;s post): there&#039;s a strong desire not to live in fear, even when there&#039;s plenty to be scared off. We don&#039;t want the bastards to get us down, at least not too much, as that&#039;s handing them a victory of sorts.

Anyway. I love your stuff Maria, both here and on Wallace-l. You&#039;re awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t lived in LA since 2000 and I&#8217;m not familiar with the Lily Burk murder, but the section did cause me to think of a young girl (age seven, I think) who was kidnapped from her bedroom, raped, and killed in San Diego when I was living there (2001 or 2002, I think was when it happened). I swear the entire city of San Diego was obsessed with that girl&#8217;s abduction (from a nice, usually very safe, upper-middle class neighborhood). The police went all out, like seriously all out. They caught the guy. The trial was all over the news&#8211;it was completely unavoidable. There was a serious push by people who wanted to have the killer&#8217;s lawyer disbarred for, as far as I could tell, doing nothing other than his job.</p>
<p>Anyway. I mention it because I had the same thought that you had in relation to Lily Burk: the killings of girls and women of Santa Teresa can never get the same sort of attention.</p>
<p>As for being consumed with seemingly trivial things&#8211;the hot items, the current hip meme, the best Pilates, or whatever&#8211;I kind of feel the same way. But I also think it&#8217;s inevitable and not all bad. It&#8217;s a defense mechanism of sorts, in a way. There&#8217;s a somewhat fine line that needs to be walked here. Care too much and you risk obsession, living in fear, risk of restrictions on freedom, despondency, etc, etc. Care too little, or be too overwhelmed to care enough, and you risk lawlessness or at least a denial of justice in cases where perhaps some sort of justice could be had. And so on. To relate this to my comments from last week (to Matt&#8217;s post): there&#8217;s a strong desire not to live in fear, even when there&#8217;s plenty to be scared off. We don&#8217;t want the bastards to get us down, at least not too much, as that&#8217;s handing them a victory of sorts.</p>
<p>Anyway. I love your stuff Maria, both here and on Wallace-l. You&#8217;re awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Bustillos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Bustillos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 23:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much Aadam Aziz Ansari, sometimes these posts don&#039;t show up for me until later, for some reason??  

I do love having company on this book!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much Aadam Aziz Ansari, sometimes these posts don&#8217;t show up for me until later, for some reason??  </p>
<p>I do love having company on this book!!</p>
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		<title>By: David Savarese</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Savarese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that we’re meant to be numbed before we are shocked into consciousness, and I think a comparison to violent media is well merited. I also agree that this points to an evil undercurrent in our world instead of a movie of the week that is wrapped up in a neat little bow. I don&#039;t think there will be any resolution, as there is none in real life. I think Amalifitano would be too old to be the giant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that we’re meant to be numbed before we are shocked into consciousness, and I think a comparison to violent media is well merited. I also agree that this points to an evil undercurrent in our world instead of a movie of the week that is wrapped up in a neat little bow. I don&#8217;t think there will be any resolution, as there is none in real life. I think Amalifitano would be too old to be the giant.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Bustillos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Bustillos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic comments, thank you. I&#039;ll tell you what, I don&#039;t ordinarily read books in a group but I am beyond relieved to be reading this one in such good and multifarious company. Not only because it&#039;s such a dense, complicated book, but because what it&#039;s saying really scares me.

It&#039;s kind of like the mysterious, dreamlike quality of the first sections describes the very ruses we use every day in order to deal with the impossibility of what we&#039;re being told now.

Michael, that&#039;s a pretty great catch about the attempted murder foiled by Lalo Cura. There aren&#039;t many guys trying to save women in Santa Teresa ... I guess it would be crazy to try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic comments, thank you. I&#8217;ll tell you what, I don&#8217;t ordinarily read books in a group but I am beyond relieved to be reading this one in such good and multifarious company. Not only because it&#8217;s such a dense, complicated book, but because what it&#8217;s saying really scares me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s kind of like the mysterious, dreamlike quality of the first sections describes the very ruses we use every day in order to deal with the impossibility of what we&#8217;re being told now.</p>
<p>Michael, that&#8217;s a pretty great catch about the attempted murder foiled by Lalo Cura. There aren&#8217;t many guys trying to save women in Santa Teresa &#8230; I guess it would be crazy to try.</p>
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		<title>By: MIchael Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIchael Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, didn&#039;t post under the right name. That was me, Michael.</description>
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