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		<title>By: Daryl</title>
		<link>http://www.bolanobolano.com/2010/02/09/week-3-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>Daryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More great connections, Susan. I had forgotten about Amalfitano and water, and I didn&#039;t know about the significance of his name. Thanks for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More great connections, Susan. I had forgotten about Amalfitano and water, and I didn&#8217;t know about the significance of his name. Thanks for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Zenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Zenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Warning: Silliness to follow: The toilet detail may imply that Pelletier is a &quot;crack pot&quot;, but you wouldn&#039;t know it just to look at him, you have to lift the lid! OK, sorry, I just had to say it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Warning: Silliness to follow: The toilet detail may imply that Pelletier is a &#8220;crack pot&#8221;, but you wouldn&#8217;t know it just to look at him, you have to lift the lid! OK, sorry, I just had to say it.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Zenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Zenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daryl,

I also keep noticing the imagery and association of high cliffs and water. This is featured in Morini&#039;s dream of the pool as well as Pelletier&#039;s dream where he has a beach house high on a cliff overlooking the sea. Liz is associated with both men in both their respective dreams (Is it too much of a stretch to point out that after decapitating the Medusa, Perseus flies off to rescue Andromeda who has been tied to a cliff as a sacrifice to a sea monster that has been plaguing the Levant?) I believe the same word is used in the Spanish version to describe both of the cliffs: &quot;barranca&quot;. I have to double back and check, but I think it is also a &quot;barranca&quot; over which Edwin Johns &quot;falls&quot; to his death, a suicide as far as I am concerned. The Amalfi Coast, in Italy, is a promontory south of Naples which is, in essence, one huge sea cliff--Almalfitano in Italian would mean someone from the Amalfi Coast. Interestingly the Amalfitano can&#039;t swim. I keep finding it odd that in the Spanish version that he is called simply &quot;Amalfitano&quot; and not &quot;El Amalifitano&quot;. Someone from the US might be nick named &quot;El Americano&quot; but not simply &quot;Americano&quot;, for example.
The image of submersion in water in a perilous context crops up with Liz diving into the hotel pool in Morini&#039;s dream and Amalfitano sinking into the hotel pool where Pelletier has to rescue him from drowning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daryl,</p>
<p>I also keep noticing the imagery and association of high cliffs and water. This is featured in Morini&#8217;s dream of the pool as well as Pelletier&#8217;s dream where he has a beach house high on a cliff overlooking the sea. Liz is associated with both men in both their respective dreams (Is it too much of a stretch to point out that after decapitating the Medusa, Perseus flies off to rescue Andromeda who has been tied to a cliff as a sacrifice to a sea monster that has been plaguing the Levant?) I believe the same word is used in the Spanish version to describe both of the cliffs: &#8220;barranca&#8221;. I have to double back and check, but I think it is also a &#8220;barranca&#8221; over which Edwin Johns &#8220;falls&#8221; to his death, a suicide as far as I am concerned. The Amalfi Coast, in Italy, is a promontory south of Naples which is, in essence, one huge sea cliff&#8211;Almalfitano in Italian would mean someone from the Amalfi Coast. Interestingly the Amalfitano can&#8217;t swim. I keep finding it odd that in the Spanish version that he is called simply &#8220;Amalfitano&#8221; and not &#8220;El Amalifitano&#8221;. Someone from the US might be nick named &#8220;El Americano&#8221; but not simply &#8220;Americano&#8221;, for example.<br />
The image of submersion in water in a perilous context crops up with Liz diving into the hotel pool in Morini&#8217;s dream and Amalfitano sinking into the hotel pool where Pelletier has to rescue him from drowning.</p>
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		<title>By: Daryl</title>
		<link>http://www.bolanobolano.com/2010/02/09/week-3-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-656</link>
		<dc:creator>Daryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, although I had thought of the Medusa myth as another example of a series of disembodiments in this section of the work, I didn&#039;t make the connection about the mirror, which is clearly an important part of the myth. Interestingly, Norton, stuck between the two mirrors in her dream, has been turned to stone. In Morini&#039;s dream, a figure whom he thinks to be Norton in the bottom of the pool walks toward a stone outcropping and Norton herself appears behind him, maybe a weird sort of reflection of the Norton in the bottom of the pool. Pelletier also dreams of a stone statue that appears as Norton has receded into the background of his life within his dream. Very interesting connections. Thanks for reminding me of the importance of the mirror in the Medusa myth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, although I had thought of the Medusa myth as another example of a series of disembodiments in this section of the work, I didn&#8217;t make the connection about the mirror, which is clearly an important part of the myth. Interestingly, Norton, stuck between the two mirrors in her dream, has been turned to stone. In Morini&#8217;s dream, a figure whom he thinks to be Norton in the bottom of the pool walks toward a stone outcropping and Norton herself appears behind him, maybe a weird sort of reflection of the Norton in the bottom of the pool. Pelletier also dreams of a stone statue that appears as Norton has receded into the background of his life within his dream. Very interesting connections. Thanks for reminding me of the importance of the mirror in the Medusa myth.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Zenger</title>
		<link>http://www.bolanobolano.com/2010/02/09/week-3-dreams/comment-page-1/#comment-654</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Zenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Santa Teresa section of the part about the critics just seems jammed with symbolism. With Liz I see it in mirrors and the Medusa, in two separate dreams.  In the myth of Perseus, Medusa is always linked to the &quot;mirror&quot; of Perseus&#039; shield which turns her to stone when she sees herself. The association of the two mirrors with Borges, as mentioned above is also very cool, I keep thinking of the mirror, the labyrinth and the implication of the infinite twists and turns of the human mind. Not aimless wandering as in a vacant wasteland, structured and organized wanderings of one&#039;s own creation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Santa Teresa section of the part about the critics just seems jammed with symbolism. With Liz I see it in mirrors and the Medusa, in two separate dreams.  In the myth of Perseus, Medusa is always linked to the &#8220;mirror&#8221; of Perseus&#8217; shield which turns her to stone when she sees herself. The association of the two mirrors with Borges, as mentioned above is also very cool, I keep thinking of the mirror, the labyrinth and the implication of the infinite twists and turns of the human mind. Not aimless wandering as in a vacant wasteland, structured and organized wanderings of one&#8217;s own creation.</p>
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		<title>By: Daryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I&#039;m glad you mentioned the toilet detail. I think that&#039;s an oblique reference to Duchamp via Pierre Pinoncelli, whom some take to be the real life figure on whom Johns is modeled. Pierre broke two of the eight copies of Duchamp&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Fountain&lt;/i&gt; (a urinal turned on its side with the name R. Mutt written on it) with a hammer. It&#039;s not the sort of detail that I think means anything. It&#039;s just a little inside joke, maybe, or a (to some, myself included until I read Brooks&#039;s character list of last week) hidden detail that reinforces a given set of associations.

That aside aside, I agree that this is a funny detail balancing the more surreal bits the urinal is otherwise associated with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I&#8217;m glad you mentioned the toilet detail. I think that&#8217;s an oblique reference to Duchamp via Pierre Pinoncelli, whom some take to be the real life figure on whom Johns is modeled. Pierre broke two of the eight copies of Duchamp&#8217;s <i>Fountain</i> (a urinal turned on its side with the name R. Mutt written on it) with a hammer. It&#8217;s not the sort of detail that I think means anything. It&#8217;s just a little inside joke, maybe, or a (to some, myself included until I read Brooks&#8217;s character list of last week) hidden detail that reinforces a given set of associations.</p>
<p>That aside aside, I agree that this is a funny detail balancing the more surreal bits the urinal is otherwise associated with.</p>
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		<title>By: Se&#241;or Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Se&#241;or Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bola&#241;o also leavens the dream sequences and the poetic passages with the concrete, the mundane, and the humorous. Regarding the toilet:

&lt;i&gt;“The clerk told me they were planning to replace the toilet but they couldn&#039;t find the right model. He didn&#039;t want me to leave with a negative impression of the hotel. A nice person, after all,” said Pelletier.&lt;/i&gt;

Bola&#241;o knows Mexico.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bola&ntilde;o also leavens the dream sequences and the poetic passages with the concrete, the mundane, and the humorous. Regarding the toilet:</p>
<p><i>“The clerk told me they were planning to replace the toilet but they couldn&#8217;t find the right model. He didn&#8217;t want me to leave with a negative impression of the hotel. A nice person, after all,” said Pelletier.</i></p>
<p>Bola&ntilde;o knows Mexico.</p>
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		<title>By: Daryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the pointer (again) to Borges. I find that mirror dream so unsettling and dizzying, as I try to piece together Norton&#039;s experience of it, all the turning and turning in both mirrors (and in the infinity of mirrors reaching back through each mirror, which she doesn&#039;t mention, but which is either there and dizzying or is anomalously not there and thus all the more unsettling). I gather it&#039;s relevant that Morini has a dream in which he imagines searching for his lost love in a labyrinth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the pointer (again) to Borges. I find that mirror dream so unsettling and dizzying, as I try to piece together Norton&#8217;s experience of it, all the turning and turning in both mirrors (and in the infinity of mirrors reaching back through each mirror, which she doesn&#8217;t mention, but which is either there and dizzying or is anomalously not there and thus all the more unsettling). I gather it&#8217;s relevant that Morini has a dream in which he imagines searching for his lost love in a labyrinth.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Bustillos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Bustillos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also: what about he whole issue of sleeplessness? There seems to be a lot of insomnia going around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also: what about he whole issue of sleeplessness? There seems to be a lot of insomnia going around.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Bustillos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Bustillos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RAWK.  I love this.  Thank you, sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RAWK.  I love this.  Thank you, sir.</p>
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